Why is alternative rock radio so unlistenable as of late?

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donobrian
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Re: Why is alternative rock radio so unlistenable as of late?

Post by donobrian » Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:16 am

LOL

The history of "alternative" music/formats starts with relevance with KROQ, the rock of the 80s.
The format was never a "guitar rock" one, it played new wave music after punk and it really was that new wave music that made it famous.

It was lots of UK and others imports and it was a new sound that had its place between the legends and arena rock AOR stations and the top 40 stations who in the early 80s were practically adult contemporary. That original Alternative format gave the young people a sound that they could call their own. It was weird, counter-culture, and...FUN!

Too many think that "alternative" started with the grunge sound of the early 90s and that simply not true. If anything, what you are hearing now at alternative is an updated return to its roots.

It gets to own the slightly different sounding songs like Glass Animals "Heatwaves" before CHR figures out that it is a mass appeal hit and plays it for months at 120+ spins a week per station.

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Re: Why is alternative rock radio so unlistenable as of late?

Post by bladerunnerradio » Mon Feb 22, 2021 2:17 am

Why is ALL radio unlistenable anymore?

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Re: Why is alternative rock radio so unlistenable as of late?

Post by meko1999 » Wed Mar 03, 2021 6:59 am

donobrian wrote:
Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:16 am
LOL

The history of "alternative" music/formats starts with relevance with KROQ, the rock of the 80s.
The format was never a "guitar rock" one, it played new wave music after punk and it really was that new wave music that made it famous.

Let's not forget WLIR in Long Island, who also played a huge role in the early 80s in making alternative/new wave a big thing regionally and then nationally. Their "Screamer of the Week" song selections in particular were famous, and these started in 1980. Here's a list of all the Screamers of the Week song selections from Sept. 1980 to Jan. 1997. I think you can even find already-made Spotify and Youtube playlists for these:

http://www.advancedspecialties.net/wlir.htm

The ones in fall 1980:
Rock Hard - Suzi Quatro 4-Sep-80
Johnny & Mary - Robert Palmer 1-Oct-80
De Do Do Do De Da Da Da - Police 2-Oct-80
Girls, Cars, & Rock & Roll - Johnny Destri 3-Oct-80
Tighten Up - Yellow Magic Orchestra 4-Oct-80
Hungry Heart - Bruce Springsteen 5-Oct-80
Staying Power - Neil Young 1-Nov-80
(You’ll Always Find Me In The) Kitchen At Parties - Jona Lewie 2-Nov-80
What Does Sex Mean To Me - Human Sexual Response 3-Nov-80
Jackie O - Human Sexual Response 4-Nov-80
I Know What Boys Like - Waitresses 1-Dec-80
Lies Through The 80’s - Manfred Mann 2-Dec-80
Hitsville, U.K. - Clash 3-Dec-80

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Re: Why is alternative rock radio so unlistenable as of late?

Post by tristan2330 » Tue Mar 23, 2021 11:37 am

Gen Z here just wanted to chime in, as much as I admire the bands you mentioned I could honestly care less about hearing them on the radio especially stations that claim to be "modern" I'm sure there's some industry politics behind it but I honestly don't get the over reliance on songs from the 90's and 00's on both rock formats (Alt & Active) I wanna hear MGK, Tame Impala & Billie Eilish not some random obscure indie band from 20 years ago, it seems as if Alternative is trying to please two different generations at once despite acknowledging that they're tastes are quite far apart from one another.

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Re: Why is alternative rock radio so unlistenable as of late?

Post by tristan2330 » Tue Mar 23, 2021 11:46 am

parocks wrote:
Mon Feb 15, 2021 4:23 pm
jkaplan wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:40 pm
What I'm wondering is what happened to "Pop-Rock"? I realize this is maybe out of scope of the original question, but it seems to me that the Pop-Rock genre (which appears to have no home right now, except maybe Triple A) has way more crossover potential than Hard Rock or the "Alternative Rock", which has become at this point almost indie pop.

Perfect example of this is the song "Friend or Foe" from Fastball in 2019. This is a catchy hit song with no outlet whatsoever.

It's unclear to me why Hard Rock stays alive on the basis of about 10 bands (that you either love or hate); where as Pop Rock would have a much wider appeal.
Hard Rock stays alive for a number of reasons.

It's popular. People like to see it live. Take a look at this, this is a lineup for the Sonic Temple festival in Columbus, Ohio.

https://live-from-the-pit.com/2020/11/1 ... -analysis/

So, it was cancelled because of covid, but you can look at the lineup. It's basically a bunch of rock bands. Some are old, some aren't quite so old, some are younger. They've been having festivals like this in Columbus for years, and they've had a number of pretty similar festivals in other cities for years, and they're typically 3 days long and they typically sell out. The radio home for most of these bands is active/mainstream rock, if they have a radio home. Many pretty big 3 day festivals, all successful. Rock is popular, people spend money on rock.

I haven't heard about any big 3 day festivals that are exclusively Alternative. Why? Because Alternative is not popular, or, at least not popular with people who spend money on music. It might be nice background music for girls who grew out of Top 40 before they go back to Top 40, but those aren't really music fans.

If we're here posting, we can look at the charts. Much of what's on the Alternative charts are acts I've never heard of, like by looking at venue schedules.

Anyway, good point about AAA. AAA right now seems to have a lot of the classic rock legends, some top Top 40 like Taylor Swift and Ed Sheeran, and a good healthy amount of Indie rock.

I did not know that Fastball was still together. It doesn't really seem that the kind of pop-rock that was quite popular in the late 90s is still a thing. Plenty of the indie that's on the AAA or not on the AAA could be seen as catchy pop-rock, but it's also indie, and Fastball is not indie.

The home for Fastball was never on Active/Mainstream Rock. Maybe Top 40, maybe Alternative Rock.

Now, Fastway, that was Mainstream Rock. Say what you will.
Most modern Alternative bands play at more mainstream festivals your Coachella's and Lollapalooza's, I honestly can't imagine seeing a band like Five Finger Death Punch headlining a festival like any of those, Active has been in Limbo for awhile now and unfortunately has been pushed into a niche audience which sucks since there's a lot of bands that can be huge IMO Greta Van Fleet, Bad Wolves, Royal Blood never get any spotlight if I turn on my local Active Station I probably couldn't tell the difference between it and my local classic rock station

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Re: Why is alternative rock radio so unlistenable as of late?

Post by mdellinger » Sun Mar 28, 2021 3:06 pm

Spoken like a true Gen X'er. New Alt shouldn't be in a rock platform. Maybe call it AC. I always laughed when talking up 21 pilots on the rock format. A suit won't understand this.

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Re: Why is alternative rock radio so unlistenable as of late?

Post by jason711 » Tue Mar 30, 2021 7:54 pm

pdalterego wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:57 am
Check out indie617.com.
Thanks I am enjoying it. It's leans current but I like it better than commercial alternative stations.

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Re: Why is alternative rock radio so unlistenable as of late?

Post by jeffberlin » Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:38 am

An *amazing* amount of incredible, mind blowing, genre bending music was released in 2020 and continuing in 2021. Names: Death Valley Girls, L.A. Witch, Ohmme, Protomartyr, Fontaines DC, Dry Cleaning, Wand, MOURN, Cuffed Up, FACS..

Note these bands all have copious amounts of guitar, less synths.

These bands seem to elude radio programmers, but they're on college radio and Spotify. I gave up on commercial alternative after getting tired of hearing a song by Nirvana, Green Day, Pearl Jam, RHCP, and Smashing Pumpkins every single friggin' hour 20-30 years after their songs were first out.

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Re: Why is alternative rock radio so unlistenable as of late?

Post by marz2k » Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:07 am

wormrock106 wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:34 am
Because alternative rock isn't ROCK at all anymore.
Sad and true. My advice: Ignore everything that starts with numbers or small letters in the artist/song name.

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Re: Why is alternative rock radio so unlistenable as of late?

Post by linklope » Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:19 am

For setting, I live in the southeastern US, and I've fundamentally got one station to pay attention to elective stone. Beside the odd 90's or 00's work of art, their library is intended for new other option, and they play more from groups like DREAMERS, the Revivalists, and the Interrupters. I've made a couple of incredible revelations from this sort of stuff (specifically Bob Moses), yet generally a gigantic part of it is simply terrible. I've practically had a similar encounter paying attention to alt stations elsewhere in the nation as well.

So why not have a station that plays real extraordinary set up elective stuff? Something worked around U2, Radiohead, the Cure, Chili Peppers, Coldplay, Incubus, Pearl Jam, Nirvana, squint 182, etc...there's a very sizable amount of material to outfit it around groups like that and blend in fresher demonstrations when they genuinely make music sufficient to remain close by the greats. I'm not even sure what the current objective crowd would i say i is (like other option, I like top 40, hypothetically I should this way), yet it is extremely unlikely they wouldn't improve the manner in which I was saying, correct?

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